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Are some Dutch people offended by this word?
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worldcitizen
2003-08-04 19:02:42 UTC
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HI,

I apologize for posting in English but I know no Dutch. I am hoping
that some Dutch people will respond to my question.

I have a friend who refers to Dutch people as "cloggies." He says
that "cloggie" is never used in an offensive manner.

However, somebody criticized him for using "cloggie" and said:
I hope you don't start using "cloggie" .

It is insensitive at best to use any word that is a substitution for a
race or nationality or ethnic group and so on that describes that
group in terms of wearing apparel, food choices, appearance etcetera.
Would you use "coolie" for a Chinese person or "yarmulke" for a Jew?
How about "beaner" for a Mexican or "rice eater" for an Asian? Or
"marshmallow" or "crumpet jammer" or "teabags" for the British?

A lot of people use derogatory terms because they are ignorant and
don't know any better. My Scottish grandfather always used "wog" when
he talked about elderly Asian men. When my mom confronted him about it
when she was young, my grandfather was dumbfounded that it was a
derogatory term. He always thought that "wog" meant wise old
gentleman.

Use a little common sense. If you hear people using "spic" for the
Spanish, it doesn't take a genius to figure out those same people
aren't using "cloggie" in a positive way.
Could anybody comment on the use of the word "cloggie" and if some
Dutch people might be offended by its use?

Thanks in advance
Quint Ondaatje
2003-08-05 09:52:07 UTC
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Op 4 Aug 2003 12:02:42 -0700 meende Burger
Post by worldcitizen
Could anybody comment on the use of the word "cloggie" and if some
Dutch people might be offended by its use?
Most Dutch people even don't know the meaning of "cloggie".
Further:
The polititical correctness in the Netherlands is nos as bad as in the
States. Most Dutch people like tu use words wich are in the extremely
political-correct Amerivan way offending.
Post by worldcitizen
Thanks in advance
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townkraeyer©
2003-08-05 10:42:35 UTC
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Post by Quint Ondaatje
Op 4 Aug 2003 12:02:42 -0700 meende Burger
Post by worldcitizen
Could anybody comment on the use of the word "cloggie" and if some
Dutch people might be offended by its use?
Most Dutch people even don't know the meaning of "cloggie".
Bullshit. "Clogs" are simply wooden shoes. They came in many
varieties for many purposes, from work to going out, for men
and for women, etc. and they were common in many European
countries. My guess is that many Dutch people know that "clog"
means "wooden shoe", but that they would not get it if the
word were used in an attempt to insult.
Post by Quint Ondaatje
The polititical correctness in the Netherlands is nos as bad as in the
States.
Bullshit! It is ten times worse. In NL you cannot expect to
call a foreigner an "allochtoon" (even though the Dutch
Central Bureau for Statistics calls them that) without
repercussions. You are not supposed to call a bum a bum.
Etcetera. "Politically correct" has been elevated to a
cultural acquisition. Fortunately, this crap has been
undermined (albeit by a politican who was murdered for
his beliefs) severely in the past two years, and we can,
once again, speak our minds, except to libel etc.
Post by Quint Ondaatje
Most Dutch people like tu use words wich are in the extremely
political-correct Amerivan way offending.
More bullshit. Once upon a time the Dutch were a very direct
people in our utterances, to the point that other people
considered us rude. The Dutch are still rude, but mostly
in a politically correct manner, which is slowly changing
back to being rude all over, all the time again.

To answer your question: not many Dutch people would be
offended to be called "cloggie". After all, this is not a
racial, religious, sexuality-based or other slur about
which you would have to be politically correct. It is
more like the kind of joke a Dutchman would make.
--
Rob
Arjan de Groot
2003-08-05 23:24:56 UTC
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"Politically correct" has been elevated to a cultural
acquisition. Fortunately, this crap has been undermined (albeit
by a politican who was murdered for his beliefs) severely in the
past two years, and we can, once again, speak our minds, except
to libel etc.
[]
Once upon a time the Dutch were a very direct people in our
utterances, to the point that other people considered us rude.
The Dutch are still rude, but mostly in a politically correct
manner, which is slowly changing back to being rude all over, all
the time again.
So, what you are trying to explain is that the return of the
politically incorrect all over rudeness in the Netherlands has
been Pim Fortuyn's responsibility?


Arjan
Quint Ondaatje
2003-08-08 09:05:38 UTC
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Op Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:42:35 +0200 meende Burger
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Post by townkraeyer©
Post by Quint Ondaatje
Most Dutch people even don't know the meaning of "cloggie".
Bullshit. "Clogs" are simply wooden shoes. They came in many
varieties for many purposes, from work to going out, for men
and for women, etc. and they were common in many European
countries. My guess is that many Dutch people know that "clog"
means "wooden shoe", but that they would not get it if the
word were used in an attempt to insult.
Doet niets af aan het feit dat de gemiddelde Nederlander geen weet heeft
van de betekis van "Clog" en "Cloggie".
Post by townkraeyer©
Post by Quint Ondaatje
The polititical correctness in the Netherlands is nos as bad as in the
States.
Bullshit! It is ten times worse. In NL you cannot expect to
Hier kun je straffeloos politiek-incorrecte dingen zeggen.
--
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Nieks Log: * http://www.xs4all.nl/~nholtz/nieklog *
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"Hebban olla vogala nestas hagunnan, hinase hic anda thu."
townkraeyer©
2003-08-08 15:47:28 UTC
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Post by Quint Ondaatje
Op Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:42:35 +0200 meende Burger
TUFKAT
Even afgezien van de foute inhoud van je kots (NLers weten
best dat een "clog" een "klomp" is), vind je het inmiddels
zinvol om manueel in headers te gaan schelden ?

Er zijn orgelaapjes van wie ik niet anders verwacht, maar
jou had ik wat hoger ingeschat. Quel dommage.
--
Rob
Quint Ondaatje
2003-08-11 07:25:40 UTC
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Op Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:47:28 +0200 meende Burger
Post by townkraeyer©
Post by Quint Ondaatje
Op Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:42:35 +0200 meende Burger
TUFKAT
Even afgezien van de foute inhoud van je kots (NLers weten
best dat een "clog" een "klomp" is), vind je het inmiddels
zinvol om manueel in headers te gaan schelden ?
TUFKAT is geen scheldpartij, maar een creatieve invulling van jouw nick
waar nu copyrihgt op rust.

"volxnationalist is heel wat anders.

Maar als je TUFKAT als beledigend ervaart zal ik het nalaten om de
afkorting verder te gebruiken.
Post by townkraeyer©
Er zijn orgelaapjes van wie ik niet anders verwacht, maar
jou had ik wat hoger ingeschat. Quel dommage.
--
Niek Holtzappel (Ravachol) Homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~nholtz
Nieks Log: * http://www.xs4all.nl/~nholtz/nieklog *
Meldpunt Gestapopraktijken Internet: http://hopje.xs4all.nl/~MGI
"Hebban olla vogala nestas hagunnan, hinase hic anda thu."
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